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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2008/01/06/huckabee-addresses-anti-catholicism-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that darn huckabee.  Now he is quoting a catholic (chesterton) in his victory speech.  

Warriors fight, not because they hate those in front of them, but because they love those who are behind them. -chesterton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that darn huckabee.  Now he is quoting a catholic (chesterton) in his victory speech.  </p>
<p>Warriors fight, not because they hate those in front of them, but because they love those who are behind them. -chesterton</p>
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		<title>By: Brett S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane,

If Gov. Huckabee made it clear that he was an anti-Hindu he would lose my support and my vote, but I would stop short of judging his immortal soul because that would be up to a much higher power than me.  Hindus (which are admittedly not Christians, and can only loosely be labeled a religion) are human beings that were created by God in the image and likeness of God.  It is my scriptural belief that all human life is sacred, and that Hindus should be treated with the same dignity as you and I, and even the all knowing Pastor Silva.  It is also my scriptural belief that God desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth, and that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

Admittedly holding “joint services” with Hindus would seem a bit strange for a Christian pastor, but would not be inherently sinful as long as he was not speaking or endorsing any type of doctrinal error (a joint service to collect food for the hungry might be plausible).  If a Christian pastor was invited to speak at a Hindu temple would that not be an ideal place to preach the gospel to unbelievers, or would you prefer him to only preach to “True Christians”?

Gov. Huckabee had regular breakfast meetings with Hindus in Arkansas.  My bible says that the Lord Jesus Christ was not picky about the people that he sat down to share a meal with (some were even foreigners and sinners).  I don’t know what theology you guys follow that says it’s wrong to eat with Hindus, but I follow the model of Christ.  Do you realize that if you apply (2 Corinthians 6:14-18) to this situation, that you are eliminating the Lord Jesus Christ from being a “True Christian”?

I can’t give you chapter and verse at the moment but something about “how we treat the least of these” comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane,</p>
<p>If Gov. Huckabee made it clear that he was an anti-Hindu he would lose my support and my vote, but I would stop short of judging his immortal soul because that would be up to a much higher power than me.  Hindus (which are admittedly not Christians, and can only loosely be labeled a religion) are human beings that were created by God in the image and likeness of God.  It is my scriptural belief that all human life is sacred, and that Hindus should be treated with the same dignity as you and I, and even the all knowing Pastor Silva.  It is also my scriptural belief that God desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth, and that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.</p>
<p>Admittedly holding “joint services” with Hindus would seem a bit strange for a Christian pastor, but would not be inherently sinful as long as he was not speaking or endorsing any type of doctrinal error (a joint service to collect food for the hungry might be plausible).  If a Christian pastor was invited to speak at a Hindu temple would that not be an ideal place to preach the gospel to unbelievers, or would you prefer him to only preach to “True Christians”?</p>
<p>Gov. Huckabee had regular breakfast meetings with Hindus in Arkansas.  My bible says that the Lord Jesus Christ was not picky about the people that he sat down to share a meal with (some were even foreigners and sinners).  I don’t know what theology you guys follow that says it’s wrong to eat with Hindus, but I follow the model of Christ.  Do you realize that if you apply (2 Corinthians 6:14-18) to this situation, that you are eliminating the Lord Jesus Christ from being a “True Christian”?</p>
<p>I can’t give you chapter and verse at the moment but something about “how we treat the least of these” comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Trammel</title>
		<link>http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2008/01/06/huckabee-addresses-anti-catholicism-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Trammel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

With regards to your first comment on this post.

You say:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I was an admirer and supporter of Gov. Huckabee before I read that piece and it definitely hasn’t done anything to sway my opinion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was a supporter as well but I am now reconsidering my support. I think my post makes it clear that my concern is with Mike Huckabee&#039;s apparent acceptance of the Catholic Church as Christian. It is no secret to you or any other regular visitor of my blog that I consider the Roman Catholic Church in a state of apostatsy.

You suggest that my use of the phrase “compromising the gospel”, is goofy and fundamentalist in nature. I think you know exactly what I mean when I use the phrase “compromising the gospel” and there is nothing goofy or fundamentalist about it. I am simply making the point that any SBC minister (present or past), including Mr. Huckabee, who accepts the Roman Catholic Church as Christian is &quot;compromising the gospel&quot;. 

There are several biblical (not fundamentalist) references to &quot;turning to a different gospel&quot; or &quot;a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you&quot;. Galatians 1:6-9 is one such reference. This is a false gospel or a compromised gospel. So, if you really don&#039;t understand this phrase, I think you are in the minority and I hope I have made it more clear to you.

Finally, you ask:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Which part of that interview changed your opinion of Huckabee so much&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Its a serious stretch on your part to suggest that my concern is not clear. As I have already stated, my opinion is beginning to change based on Huckabee&#039;s open acceptance of the Roman Catholic Church as Christian. I was in support of Huckabee in no small part because of what I understood to be his faithful support of evangelical Christian beliefs. In my view, acceptance of the Roman Catholic Church as Christian is not consistent with biblical Christianity. 

Lest you or someone else call me bigoted or anti-Catholic, let me say I am neither. I am only interested in biblical truth, contending for the faith (Jude 3).

Honestly, if I did not have a real concern that the Roman Catholic Church was in serious biblical error, I would not bother with such post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>With regards to your first comment on this post.</p>
<p>You say:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was an admirer and supporter of Gov. Huckabee before I read that piece and it definitely hasn’t done anything to sway my opinion.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was a supporter as well but I am now reconsidering my support. I think my post makes it clear that my concern is with Mike Huckabee&#8217;s apparent acceptance of the Catholic Church as Christian. It is no secret to you or any other regular visitor of my blog that I consider the Roman Catholic Church in a state of apostatsy.</p>
<p>You suggest that my use of the phrase “compromising the gospel”, is goofy and fundamentalist in nature. I think you know exactly what I mean when I use the phrase “compromising the gospel” and there is nothing goofy or fundamentalist about it. I am simply making the point that any SBC minister (present or past), including Mr. Huckabee, who accepts the Roman Catholic Church as Christian is &#8220;compromising the gospel&#8221;. </p>
<p>There are several biblical (not fundamentalist) references to &#8220;turning to a different gospel&#8221; or &#8220;a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you&#8221;. Galatians 1:6-9 is one such reference. This is a false gospel or a compromised gospel. So, if you really don&#8217;t understand this phrase, I think you are in the minority and I hope I have made it more clear to you.</p>
<p>Finally, you ask:</p>
<blockquote><p>Which part of that interview changed your opinion of Huckabee so much</p></blockquote>
<p>Its a serious stretch on your part to suggest that my concern is not clear. As I have already stated, my opinion is beginning to change based on Huckabee&#8217;s open acceptance of the Roman Catholic Church as Christian. I was in support of Huckabee in no small part because of what I understood to be his faithful support of evangelical Christian beliefs. In my view, acceptance of the Roman Catholic Church as Christian is not consistent with biblical Christianity. </p>
<p>Lest you or someone else call me bigoted or anti-Catholic, let me say I am neither. I am only interested in biblical truth, contending for the faith (Jude 3).</p>
<p>Honestly, if I did not have a real concern that the Roman Catholic Church was in serious biblical error, I would not bother with such post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silva</title>
		<link>http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2008/01/06/huckabee-addresses-anti-catholicism-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett:

You said: &quot;As a thinking Christian that reads and follows scripture, I find your &#039;alleged violation&#039; of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 completely out of context and ridiculous. I also believe it is ridiculous to use the bible to make judgmental and cowardly attacks upon a brave and honorable man that is trying to serve his fellow citizens, with snide comments inferring that he is not a &#039;True Christian&#039;.&quot; 

Well of course, you are entitled to your opinion. However, when it comes to being a &quot;thinking&quot; person I&#039;m afraid you&#039;d better brush up on your logic skills. The Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian Church, it is apostate i.e. a front for the Kingdom of Satan. 

As such 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 IS the context in question, and if you&#039;re a Christian I suggest you&#039;d best reconsider what you feel is &quot;ridiculous&quot; concerning a pastor who yokes his congregation in religious fellowship with a false religion.

And as far as &quot;judgmental and cowardly attacks upon a brave and honorable man that is trying to serve his fellow citizens, with snide comments inferring that he is not a &#039;True Christian&#039;&quot;, the only thing I attacked was the Roman Catholic Church. I said nothing at all about Huckabee personally; I simply critiqued his foolish practice as a pastor. Who inferred he is not a true Christian? Certainly not me because I know that Christians can do a lot of stupid things.

And finally you said: &quot;There is but one judge of us all, and only one mediator between God and man.&quot; Right; Christ Jesus, and He said: &quot;Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment&quot; (John 7:24). And that right judgment is to follow what He said in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 - 

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: 

“ I will dwell in them, And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” Therefore, “ Come out from among them, And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.  I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett:</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;As a thinking Christian that reads and follows scripture, I find your &#8216;alleged violation&#8217; of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 completely out of context and ridiculous. I also believe it is ridiculous to use the bible to make judgmental and cowardly attacks upon a brave and honorable man that is trying to serve his fellow citizens, with snide comments inferring that he is not a &#8216;True Christian&#8217;.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well of course, you are entitled to your opinion. However, when it comes to being a &#8220;thinking&#8221; person I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;d better brush up on your logic skills. The Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian Church, it is apostate i.e. a front for the Kingdom of Satan. </p>
<p>As such 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 IS the context in question, and if you&#8217;re a Christian I suggest you&#8217;d best reconsider what you feel is &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; concerning a pastor who yokes his congregation in religious fellowship with a false religion.</p>
<p>And as far as &#8220;judgmental and cowardly attacks upon a brave and honorable man that is trying to serve his fellow citizens, with snide comments inferring that he is not a &#8216;True Christian&#8217;&#8221;, the only thing I attacked was the Roman Catholic Church. I said nothing at all about Huckabee personally; I simply critiqued his foolish practice as a pastor. Who inferred he is not a true Christian? Certainly not me because I know that Christians can do a lot of stupid things.</p>
<p>And finally you said: &#8220;There is but one judge of us all, and only one mediator between God and man.&#8221; Right; Christ Jesus, and He said: &#8220;Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment&#8221; (John 7:24). And that right judgment is to follow what He said in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 &#8211; </p>
<p>Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: </p>
<p>“ I will dwell in them, And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” Therefore, “ Come out from among them, And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.  I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty.”</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Trammel</title>
		<link>http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2008/01/06/huckabee-addresses-anti-catholicism-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Trammel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

Consider for a moment that, rather than Catholics, Mr. Huckabee was responding to some who thought he was anti-Hindu.

Remembering Huckabee is a former SBC minister and professing evangelical Christian, how would this statement sound?

&lt;blockquote&gt;As a pastor, I held joint services with my neighboring Hindus, was invited to speak in Hindu temples for special services, and had regular breakfast meetings with the Hindu leaders in Arkansas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The simple question is this, in the context of the above statement, would you consider 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 applicable? I don&#039;t think there is much question that this biblical reference would be very appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>Consider for a moment that, rather than Catholics, Mr. Huckabee was responding to some who thought he was anti-Hindu.</p>
<p>Remembering Huckabee is a former SBC minister and professing evangelical Christian, how would this statement sound?</p>
<blockquote><p>As a pastor, I held joint services with my neighboring Hindus, was invited to speak in Hindu temples for special services, and had regular breakfast meetings with the Hindu leaders in Arkansas.</p></blockquote>
<p>The simple question is this, in the context of the above statement, would you consider 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 applicable? I don&#8217;t think there is much question that this biblical reference would be very appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett S</title>
		<link>http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2008/01/06/huckabee-addresses-anti-catholicism-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-1195</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Silva,

As a thinking Christian that reads and follows scripture, I find your &quot;alleged violation&quot; of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18&quot; completely out of context and ridiculous.  I also believe it is ridiculous to use the bible to make judgmental and cowardly attacks upon a brave and honorable man that is trying to serve his fellow citizens, with snide comments inferring that he is not a “True Christian”.   There is but one judge of us all, and only one mediator between God and man.

As an example of how a real man stands up to defend and integrate his religion with the world of politics, I would submit a citizen of England in 1905.  A country in which for the majority of the last 300 years it has been illegal to be an English citizen and a Roman Catholic loyal to the Pope.  Laws previously existed against Catholics in Britain that would make the civil rights leaders opposing Jim Crow laws in the southern US blush.

It was a marginal Parliament seat and the opposing party adopted the unsophisticated slogan &quot;Don&#039;t vote for a Frenchman and a Catholic&quot;.  Hilaire Belloc ignored the repeated advice of his constituency campaigners in the 1905/6 election campaign and took the religion issue head on at a packed public meeting.

&quot;Gentlemen, I am a Catholic,&quot; he told them, taking his rosary out of his pocket. &quot;As far as possible, I go to Mass every day. This is a rosary: as far as possible, I kneel down and tell these beads every day. If you reject me on account of my religion, I shall thank God that he has spared me the indignity of being your representative.&quot;

There was stunned silence for a few moments, then thunderous applause. He took the seat by 852 votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Silva,</p>
<p>As a thinking Christian that reads and follows scripture, I find your &#8220;alleged violation&#8221; of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18&#8243; completely out of context and ridiculous.  I also believe it is ridiculous to use the bible to make judgmental and cowardly attacks upon a brave and honorable man that is trying to serve his fellow citizens, with snide comments inferring that he is not a “True Christian”.   There is but one judge of us all, and only one mediator between God and man.</p>
<p>As an example of how a real man stands up to defend and integrate his religion with the world of politics, I would submit a citizen of England in 1905.  A country in which for the majority of the last 300 years it has been illegal to be an English citizen and a Roman Catholic loyal to the Pope.  Laws previously existed against Catholics in Britain that would make the civil rights leaders opposing Jim Crow laws in the southern US blush.</p>
<p>It was a marginal Parliament seat and the opposing party adopted the unsophisticated slogan &#8220;Don&#8217;t vote for a Frenchman and a Catholic&#8221;.  Hilaire Belloc ignored the repeated advice of his constituency campaigners in the 1905/6 election campaign and took the religion issue head on at a packed public meeting.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gentlemen, I am a Catholic,&#8221; he told them, taking his rosary out of his pocket. &#8220;As far as possible, I go to Mass every day. This is a rosary: as far as possible, I kneel down and tell these beads every day. If you reject me on account of my religion, I shall thank God that he has spared me the indignity of being your representative.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was stunned silence for a few moments, then thunderous applause. He took the seat by 852 votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Huckabee: &quot;As a pastor, I held &lt;strong&gt;joint services&lt;/strong&gt; with my neighboring Catholic congregation,...&quot;

As a former Roman Catholic and now SBC pastor myself I can tell you that the above is a violation of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, and as Dr. John MacArthur has rightly stated the Roman Catholic Church is a front for the kingdom of Satan.

See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/06/what_has_change.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WHAT HAS CHANGED REGARDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/12/the_holy_and_ca.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THE HOLY AND CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Huckabee: &#8220;As a pastor, I held <strong>joint services</strong> with my neighboring Catholic congregation,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>As a former Roman Catholic and now SBC pastor myself I can tell you that the above is a violation of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, and as Dr. John MacArthur has rightly stated the Roman Catholic Church is a front for the kingdom of Satan.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/06/what_has_change.html" rel="nofollow">WHAT HAS CHANGED REGARDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/12/the_holy_and_ca.html" rel="nofollow">THE HOLY AND CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brett S</title>
		<link>http://blog.shanetrammel.com/2008/01/06/huckabee-addresses-anti-catholicism-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh!

Shane, I have enjoyed your blog posts in the past, but you are really starting to leave me scratching my head.  I appreciate you posting the catholic online interview because I have not seen it yet.  I was an admirer and supporter of Gov. Huckabee before I read that piece and it definitely hasn’t done anything to sway my opinion.   I view Huckabee as an honorable and committed Christian man, and perhaps more importantly (given that he is seeking my vote as President and not Pastor); I view him as a competent and innovative governmental leader.

You keep throwing around this goofy little fundamentalist phrase “compromising the gospel”, which is not found in the bible.  Which part of that interview changed your opinion of  Huckabee so much,  from gleeful support  to believing that he has now apparently “compromised the gospel”?

Was it the marching to stop babies from being murdered, praying with and for sick people, helping the Little Sisters feed the poor, or was it the fact that he was shooting at the defenseless ducks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh!</p>
<p>Shane, I have enjoyed your blog posts in the past, but you are really starting to leave me scratching my head.  I appreciate you posting the catholic online interview because I have not seen it yet.  I was an admirer and supporter of Gov. Huckabee before I read that piece and it definitely hasn’t done anything to sway my opinion.   I view Huckabee as an honorable and committed Christian man, and perhaps more importantly (given that he is seeking my vote as President and not Pastor); I view him as a competent and innovative governmental leader.</p>
<p>You keep throwing around this goofy little fundamentalist phrase “compromising the gospel”, which is not found in the bible.  Which part of that interview changed your opinion of  Huckabee so much,  from gleeful support  to believing that he has now apparently “compromised the gospel”?</p>
<p>Was it the marching to stop babies from being murdered, praying with and for sick people, helping the Little Sisters feed the poor, or was it the fact that he was shooting at the defenseless ducks?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was unable to find contact information on your blog, so I am passing this on to you here:

http://huckabeemomentum.com/

We would like you to post about this.

Contact us if you have any questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was unable to find contact information on your blog, so I am passing this on to you here:</p>
<p><a href="http://huckabeemomentum.com/" rel="nofollow">http://huckabeemomentum.com/</a></p>
<p>We would like you to post about this.</p>
<p>Contact us if you have any questions.</p>
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